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Although we've made great progress on the sport and event pages, we've always struggled with an effective formatting style for the per-nation pages. About the only thing that is consistent is infobox usage. Based on some old discussion, we're using the pictogram icons on the 2008 pages, and I've started to use a sortable table format for list of medalists, such as China at the 2004 Summer Olympics. (It's a big table, but still better than a simple wikilist, I think.) As for the results sections, we started to use tables in the 2006 and other pages, but for some reason, any of the previous styles never looked good to my eyes. Now, Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics is starting to look really good, in my opinion, with effective sport-specific tables. Perhaps we can agree to use that format for all 2008 pages? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- Hands up in approval for tables, and I personally like the detailed format in Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics. My only concern is that where full details are not available (yet), we may end up with lots of empty boxes for an extended period?--Huaiwei (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I think the tables look pretty good. Can you link me to any other page where tables have been used like this? I can't seem to find the any of the 2006 ones you mentioned, at least for Nations at the 2006 XXX Games. I've been running through the Category:Nations at the 2004 Summer Olympics pages, and I've managed to update about half of them, but I'm not all that happy with the style, as I'm just using bulleted lists, and more focused on correcting, completing and standardizing than a good format. If I can see a 'working' table with a good format, I'd be willing to go back through these 2004 pages to try to standardize them with whatever's used for 2008, and I think the GBR page looks pretty good.
- As for sortable tables, they make sense for China and the United States, and look a little silly for say, Trinidad, but I'll try and run through the 2004 pages to add them, I think they look better than the current tables and the sorting can be useful. I also like the pictograms, so I'll use them too. - Edged (talk) 18:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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- Look at Norway at the 2006 Winter Olympics#Events. Those event results tables are okay, but not great, in my opinion. For the medalist tables, they certainly don't have to be sortable for smaller numbers, but it helps to have a consistent format. For example, Indonesia at the 2004 Summer Olympics has four medalists, and even that small table is neater than the typical bulleted list (like the top section of the Norway 2006 article. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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- Thanks, I can't believe I forgot about the Winter Olympics, I was only looking at Asian games and Commonwealth Games and wondering "What tables?". Too much Summer Games overload for me. Definitely agree about the medal tables, I've just been using a different format, see Morocco at the 2004 Summer Olympics, but I like your format better, so I might go back and change the ones I've done. Edged (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- Another idea that we talked about long ago (see /Archive 3) was using collapsible sections, such as what was started for User:Andrwsc/Test. This could be much, much, better, of course, but the idea might warrant further discussion. I'm thinking that (for "large" teams), each sport would have a short introductory prose section with some highlights, then a collapsed box of full results that you would see by clicking on the "[Show]" button. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thumbs up, Andrwsc, for finding those sport-specific tables (also thanks to User:Yboy83 for the original idea!). They do seem to be a great compromise between data organization and aesthetics. You have my approval to start compiling per-nation results in that way. Parutakupiu (talk) 20:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- One detail about the tables. Do we want to continue to have them listed by athletes in alphabetical order, or maybe instead by event order? (Perhaps sortable?) They look good, but I'm just worried that big tables, especially for big delegations (such as Great Britain) in big sports (like Athletics) get too confusing listed alphabetically, and they might be a little more visually appealing and easy to read if they are listed by event, and then alphabetically by athlete. Do other people agree, or is it just me? Edged (talk) 03:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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- A problem I just realized with my own suggestion is what to do with multi-event athletes, which work fine in the current format, but would be awkward in by event sorting. So perhaps it should just be left as it is, but I'm still not sure about how cluttered it looks. Edged (talk) 03:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Yes, it would look weird to have an athlete duplicated just for the sake of sorting by event. A bigger problem is how to sort groups of people (rowing or sailing crews, for instance) rather than individuals in the same table... Parutakupiu (talk) 18:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Just fouund this talk, have been doing some editing to the France at the 2008 Summer Olympics and been struggling to find something that looks nice and works, these seen very good to me.Dwperrin (talk) 09:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've applied the table layout to Portugal at the 2008 Summer Olympics, and it looks good. It was a bit tiresome to write all the table codes, even with plenty of copy-pasting), so I can imagine how "cruel" it will be to apply the same layout for larger national Olympic teams. Anyway, in such cases, I believe the collapsible sections idea of Andrwsc would be most welcome. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Hi all. Thanks for your positive comments on the edits made to the GBR page. It started with wanting to display the British swim team with all their events and results expected to appear in the next few weeks, then it sort of just carried on from there...! After seeing similar tables appearing on other nation's pages, I wondered if people had been following my lead, or if I had just been lucky with making the edits the same as is standard for this WikiProject..., but then I found these comments...! Cheers! You'll see I haven't done the tables for all the GBR sports as I wasn't sure how best to do them (for team sports for example); or haven't yet read about how the competition will work (e.g. boxing, gymnastics, rowing etc. - are they 'round-robin', 'knock-out', or some other competition format). Are there any particularly good examples for these sports on other nation's pages that we can use for the standard layout?
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- I've been using the colour: 'wheat' for the stages of knock-out competitions that won't take part - wanted to stay away from anything gold, silver or bronze for obvious reasons. Is my colour choice appropriate enough?
- With Badminton and Tennis (for example) I'm concerned that with there being up to 6 rounds of competition, the tables may be getting too wide for many screen displays. What is the wikipedia standard for this, and should we worry about it. You'll see on the GBR page that for Badminton I've got the 'Opposition' and 'Score' ready to be recorded in the same column, whilst for Tennis I've put them in separate columns.
- When it comes to entering results in just less than a week's time (wooooo, can't wait!!), should we decide on a standard for displaying the results of medal winners in the 'Rank' columns of the tables? I've seen various methods around WP - I kindof like something like:
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- I'm sure I'll think of somthing else to comment on, but for now, that's all.
- Yboy83 (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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- The GBR page looks terrific! I have one problem with it, though. I'm on a lower resolution right now and the page as is is making the browser horizontal scroll like mad. Tables usually "bunch up" to avoid scrolling. Right now, it seems like the archery section is forcing the scroll, but I can't figure out why. It's a minor usability problem, sure, but I'm concerned about a forced scroll with a page with a lot of text, and with, as you say, events with a lot of rounds of competition. Anyone know how to fix this? Kolindigo (talk) 22:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Yboy83, once again, kudos for your idea! I noticed you didn't apply tables to all GBR sport sections yet, but I went further and did it myself for Portugal. I adapted the competition system used in 2004, since I don't believe it'll change much (if it does, it's just an "edit" button away to fix it).
- Answering to some of your comments/questions:
- I also used the "wheat" color, since I had no compatibility problem with it, but if agreed it could be replaced by any other. The thing that has to be done is maintain color consistency throughout all articles that apply this layout system.
- I realized that potential table width problem for single-elimination system sports that can go around for many rounds. I don't know how to act for now, I'll need to see how it develops when results come in and the tables get filled.
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- Yes, these tables are very nice, great work. The wheat colour looks good, it's what I've used for all the pages I've done. I definitely agree with you concerns about width, and another sport that's caused me trouble (I've used the tables for nations from Zimbabwe to Switzerland (excepting the US, I suspect that would take a long time)} is judo, since it has three repechage rounds, and with five normal rounds and a preliminary round, is as wide as tennis, if not wider. If anyone has a good idea for how to better present repechages for fighting events than just as another column, I'm all ears, because I haven't come up with anything. Also, what shall we do about team events? Should we use a standardized roster for all team sports, or just use whatever roster appears on the squad list pages? - Edged (talk) 23:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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A judoka can go through a maximum of seven rounds (if fighting in a preliminary round). If judging by tables for tennis or archery, it's not that much bigger. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oh wait. I got your problem—with judokas all listed in the same table, we have to have all possible rounds they can go through (unless none of them would enter the exact same round), else we'd have to have separate tables for each one. Yes, now that really poses a problem. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Just throwing out a possible solution to see what others think, but maybe have for the events we're worried about (tennis, archery, badminton, judo, maybe wrestling, beach volleyball), have 'medal round' tables. A first table, as currently, with all the rounds before quarterfinals, and then a second table above (or below) with only from quarterfinals on, if needed. It wouldn't be great, but it would at least get rid of the horizontal clutter. I'm not sure replacing it with vertical clutter is much better, but some of the tables for those events look pretty bad in a windowed browser to me right now, even before they get widened by adding opponents. Edged (talk) 03:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I've made an attempt at the track cycling section on the GBR page: GBR - Track Cycling. I think GBR has the biggest cycling team, so other nations shouldn't be so complicated to arrange. Any thoughts on the proposed layout? Yboy83 (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- I have been wondering what is the best, clearest way to indicate wins and losses in individual knock-out sports, and was wondering what others thought. Here is my idea:
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- I think the colours are light enough to avoid obscuring the results, but still make wins and losses very clear, and, as with 'wheat', can't be confused with medals. Thoughts? Did anyone else have something in mind? Edged (talk) 23:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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- We can't rely only on colors to convey info (see WP:COLOR), especially red and green which are undistinguishable to daltonic users. Perhaps we could replace background colors by readily recognizable symbols:
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- What do you say? Parutakupiu (talk) 02:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Ah, yes I hadn't thought of that, quite right, colours are out. the tick and cross look good, and I think even a simple 'W' or 'L' would work.
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- Hmm, the tick-cross may be more clear than the letters, so perhaps we should go with that.Edged (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- My initial thought was simpler - just make the score of the athlete whose nation's page is being edited in bold. e.g.
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- With Athletics/Swimming heats and semi-finals - we should use a Q next to the rank to indicate they have proceeded to the next stage.
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- One more thing for now - look at GBR#Boxing - one of our athletes has been sent home for failing to make the weight. I suggest something similar to what i've done for situations such as this and for athletes sent home for failing drugs tests or injured etc. Perhaps the background colour choice could be better?
- That's all for now. Yboy83 (talk) 08:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Yeah, I like both the light blue and the disqualified/withdrew colour, they seem good. I'm fine with the bolding, it's just that I'm at a zoomed-out resolution that doesn't show bolded numbers in the tables. I think that basically what you have there, except with either a W or L added before the score, would be best. Still, I think it's pretty clear, I'm not really worried about it. Edged (talk) 07:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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- On second thought, after applying light blue to a fencing table with a first round loss, I think it is better to use a lighter colour, perhaps 'HoneyDew'? I think over a large area the darker colour is too distracting.
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- For me, HoneyDew looks a little too light. I'd choose 'AliceBlue' or 'LightCyan' for 'Did not advance'. For the same reason, perhaps 'PaleGreen' is too bright/dark for the DQ's/withdrawals? Can't see a suitable alternative - and I'm not an expert with the usability of web colours...
- Having looked at the bolding of the result on a couple of different screens, I now agree that a W or L would be appropriate - the 95% font on high-res screens isn't particularly easy to distinguish between normal text and bold.
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- Another note I just thought of: what should 'rank' stand for? While it makes sense in swimming, what about in track events, where you can advance both by where you finish in the heat and your overall rank. I'm thinking it should be overall rank, but I wonder what others think? Edged (talk) 08:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- Capital Q for progression through ranking in heat, small q for progression by 'fastest losers' ranking. Yboy83 (talk) 09:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've seen your suggestions regarding the use of colors to shade cells where info like "disqualified/withdrawn/did not advance" are used, and I'm really not sure if we should use colors at all. I mean, the textual info is enough by itself, no? If I'm not mistaken, we've been using color shades in tables, only for the medalists tables (not on results tables, where we use medal icons) and , recently, to denote competition rounds which do not exist for some events of the same sport (I'm referring to the
wheat shade). Do you think we really need colors for other situations?
- As for the other suggestions, I also don't think boldfacing an athlete's score in those single elimination tournaments is good choice, especially when fonts are smaller. Yet, I'm also not fond of a single "W" or "L" because then we have to add a key somewhere to explain the abbreviations meaning (unless we use {{tooltip}}). I kinda liked the tick-cross... but that's just me. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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- On United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics, people keep highlighting the disqualified or did not starts with a bright green color: see 200m and Decathlon. I don't really think this is necessary and it's too bright; it looks like the color for advancing to the next round in team group competition. Plus, the reasons for disqualification seem trivial in comparison to long term Olympic history. In this case, people failed to even rank because they stepped over a line, were injured, their horse's protective gear weighed too much, or they fell off a horse. It doesn't seem like something worth highlighting brighter than a medal. Can I get some input about removing or changing the color? Thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 03:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Those "people" have at least a couple of times been me. Looking through the various nation articles disqualifications/withdrawals had been represented in many different ways but this one I decided looked neatest to standardise to as a stopgap solution. I agree it is a bit bright and didn't realise it was the same colour used in the team sport table. I do think a different colour needs be used to distinguish from "Did not advance" but i'm unsure which. Basement12 (T.C) 03:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Like Parutakupiu, I actually don't think it needs a color at all. The text "Disqualified" is self-explanatory. --Jh12 (talk) 04:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Greetings, please if you still don't have any consensus don't come to the Spain article and uncolor all the "Did not... " boxes, cause all boxes with white colors don't give a fast info and I want easy information on the table. There MUST be a different color since is a different situation. Wikitestor (talk) 19:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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Watchlist for all 2008 related articles?
Should there be a watchlist created for all the 2008 Olympic related articles? The only one I know of is from the Tropical Cyclone project. Are there any more? I'm sure it would be quite usefull for many reasons including vandal fighting. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 04:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics and Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:2008 Summer Olympics events would be helpful starts. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- We have a 2008 Olympic watchlist. It's very bare-bones right now. Please add 2008 Olympics-related articles to it. The more articles it lists; the more useful it will be. Kolindigo (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- I added all of the events. What else does it need? -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 18:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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- The competitors, maybe? Might be difficult to populate, but it would be useful. Kolindigo (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Just discovered this project
I've only just noticed this project, although I should have guessed it existed. I've started a number of articles on Olympic and Paralympic athletes, as well as quite a few "Nation at the 2008 Summer Olympics" articles. I've also started all the "Nation at the 2008 Summer Paralympics" currently existing; you can see the list here. If anyone would like to help out in that field, that would be great, as I'm the only one who's been working on it so far, and coverage of the Paralympics in the media (and in Wikipedia) is comparatively sparse. Anyway, great work, everyone! There's a heck of a lot to be done on the Olympics, but I see you've all done a heck of a lot already. Aridd (talk) 10:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This article has just been nominated for deletion at AfD. Please add your comments. Thanks. – PeeJay 19:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Article name changed to the above.
Champions footer templates
Most of the footer templates (see Category:Olympic champions templates) use a show/hide navbox. A while ago, before show/hide boxes were quite so ubiquitous, I worked on a couple of other ways to reduce the visual template bloat. One idea was a horizontal scroll bar, per this version of Template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x400 m Men. Although I'm still kind of fond of this approach it seems to be distinctly disfavored. Another approach is what I did with Template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x100 m Men, which displays all years (linked to a winner in that year) and then winners for years passed in as parameters. I think it's quite useful, particularly for relay events. Anyone have any thoughts for or against using this approach for other events? It's not an overly big deal, but having this one template unlike any of the others seems a bit odd. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Honestly, but at quick glance, I think I favor the format that the majority of templates already have, that being the show/hide setup with "YEAR: Athlete" as the content. I think it makes the most sense, and doesn't really seem to be causing problems as of now. Jared (t) 17:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Infoboxes
If there a list of preferred infoboxes for sportspeople by sport? I've seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes, but it doesn't list every sport, and going through Category:Sports infobox templates and subcats often isn't clear on which, if any, is preferred. Is there a default Olympian infobox that can be stuck on articles? Kolindigo (talk) 00:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't believe we've ever as a project had an infobox for just the Olympics. I think it's too broad of a scope to have one infobox, given all the sports there are (28 in the Summer... well, 26 after Beijing). I found {{Infobox Olympic Cyclist}}, but this is just for cycling and I don't believe that's what you're thinking of. Basically, if you're looking to put an infobox on an athlete's page, go with one that suits him or his sport the best. Jared (t) 02:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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- For a generic, just something like name, country, place of birth, date of birth, sport, and maybe which Olympics. I've been trying to fill in infoboxes as I come across 2008 Olympic sportspeople in my curiosity!browsing, and I'm always confused about which infoboxes to use for track and field athletes. There is infobox athlete and infobox athlete biography, but I'm never exactly sure if it's for all track and field events, or which is the preferred one, because they're a little bare bones with no documentation.:( Kolindigo (talk) 02:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
2004 Olympics Start Class
I note that the 2004 Olympics is still a start class even though this is a high priority. I've been working through some of a prose edits and it appears to me to be farther along than a "Start" rating would indicate. Any thoughts? H1nkles (talk) 22:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Olympic themed articles for WP:DYK
Howdy! Over at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Olympic_and_Chinese_themed_DYKs, I've proposed making a concentrated effort to try and feature at least one Olympic or Chinese themed DYK with each update during the Beijing Olympics. I'd like to invite members of the Wikiproject Olympics to submit any new or recently expanded (5x) Olympic theme article to Template talk:Did you know for potential featuring on the main page. If you have questions, please don't hesitate to ask on WT:DYK or feel free to contact me personally. Thanks! AgneCheese/Wine 20:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Fencing
The fencing event articles need updated. Right now they are just a sentence. They need the brackets added. I'm working on men's epee and someone else started women's sabre. Those are the first two events. Others need made though. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 08:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Tennis opponents - 1st round
All of the tennis opponents were moved from Women's Singles, Women's Doubles, Men's Singles and Men's Doubles to all tennis participating nations.
They are now seen in every nation's olympic Wikipedia site, at the Tennis section. Tabels are free to fill with results when these come. They are made in a best-looking style I can think of. Easy to use and pretty surveyable.
Example:
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Both Federer and Tursunov are now listed at the Tennis section in Switzerland's and Russia's olympic Wikipedia pages.
Feel free to edit the tables and fill in the results whenever you wish. Znamkar (talk) 21:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm wondering why you widened the tables by seperating opponent and score into two seperate columns. I think it was fine as it was, and now the tennis tables are as wide as the judo tables! Also, maybe remove one of the two flags from the doubles opponents, as it's overly redundant to have it appear twice in national entries. Otherwise, great work! :) Edged (talk) 23:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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athlete parameter, that allows us to write whatever we want. So you can place both tennis players' names in it and still get only one flag image and the country's Olympic link at the end — {{flagIOCathlete|[[Simone Bolelli|S Bolelli]] and [[Andreas Seppi|A Seppi]]|ITA|2008 Summer}} gives  S Bolelli and A Seppi (ITA).
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Beijing Opening Ceremony
Did anyone just watch this, the best opening ceremony EVER, outstanding fireworks and inspirational flame lighting, looking like it's going to be the best games EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Highfields (talk) (contribs) 18:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think the whole world watched it, lol. The artistic ceremony was probably the best ever (surely the best I've seen) and, overall, it was a high-level organization and presentation that will be extremely hard to mimic in the future. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I feel sorry for the London 2012 organisers having to follow it! Highfields (talk) (contribs) 15:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Did not finish
I have another question. What do we use to put in tables for athletes who did not finish the event (e.g. cycling road race).
I am using this solution:
Please tell me your opinion about it. Znamkar (talk) 09:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think in the past we're used "DNF" with a key on the bottom of the table listing the various acronyms. Jared (t) 17:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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Cycling results (Men's Road Race)
I've added all of the cycling results from today's Men's road race into each participating country's cycling section on their Olympic pages.
Example: Italy's Olympic page has this results table.
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I hope I've done everything properly and typed all of the names correctly. If you find anything to edit, feel free to do so.
Greetings, Znamkar (talk) 13:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- First, I don't think you should color at all the table cells or row; the fact that you put a silver medal in the rank column (you might replace that old raster-type image with ) is enough to show that athlete's placing. If you want, you can boldface his/her name, to stand out a bit from the other non-medalist partners. Like this:
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- I agree. I thought about that just after last posting here, and mentioned it in another discussion section above. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for your opinions! I will replace all of the medals with newer ones (, and ) and delete the gold, silver or bronze backgrounds. I will also delete all of the wheat backgrounds in "did not finish" mode. I hope I still did good job, I am still getting used to it. I am here for 1 week now. Znamkar (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- OK, I changed all of the medal and did not finish rows so they look like you two advised. I hope it's as it should be now:
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- Well, first of all: Dobrodošel, Znamkar! (Hope I wrote it right) I see you like the Olympics and sport in general, so I hope you enjoy cooperating with our WikiProject. Any doubts, don't be afraid to ask here or on other members' talk pages.
- As for the table, it looks great now. The only thing that should be changed is the time separator symbols, which, as per WP:MOSDATE, should be in the form 0:00:00.00 (all unspaced), not 0h 00' 00''. Parutakupiu (talk) 20:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Thanks, you, you spelled it totally right! You should add an Advanced Slovenian speaker userbox to your User Page haha. Well, speaking of time, I will try to change the format in all of the tables tomorrow. Luckily only about 30 countries participated in cycling so it won't take me a lot. I enjoy the project very much, by the way :) I hope Slovenia soon gets a medal or something. This year we have the strongest team so far so I might soon need to add to our site :-). Greetings, Znamkar (talk) 21:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Should we create a List of 2008 Summer Olympics medalists?
Some users at 2008 Summer Olympics medal count have been insisting on adding a list of every medalist to the page, but I keep telling them that it is not the right place. The list would be somewhat useful to have, so should we just create a page for it? I'm not sure if it would really be that useful, and there is another discussion here. -- Scorpion0422 16:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- I can't say much about that, because I don't have a strong opinion. At first, I don't see any problem in creating such table, as long as it's not part of the medal count pages. But then again, if it was that useful, then why wasn't it created before for previous Olympics? That's why I don't say "Go ahead" to those users. But if they want to create such page, I'm not stopping them. When more established and experienced users (like User:Andrwsc) come back they can give their two cents. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The article is at List of 2008 Summer Olympics medal winners. I find this to be very convenient and there should be a very simple list like this for every Olympics. It was split up into every sport article (Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics#Medal summary) and individual event article (Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metres), but it is very convenient to have a single list. Reywas92Talk 23:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Medal Standings
Apparently this project goes by the IOC's official standings which rate by the gold medal. I think every news agency rated by the overall total. Every source on the '08 page ranks by the overall total standard. Does anyone think that we should change to the more common one as it deals with a less confusing system, not to mention it is the standard that everyone seems to go by? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Almost all Olympics medals tables that I've ever seen (in the UK) go by the number of gold medals. Bluap (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm from the UK and have only ever seen the overall total standard, it wasn't until reading on wikipedia I found out about the other, I think it gived a wider view of each teams success to use the overall totals Highfields (talk) (contribs) 15:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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- If one checks major American sources—CNN, Yahoo!, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.—you'll see exactly the opposite, that is, sorting by total medals, so it's no surprise American users would be confused with this sorting. I'm a European and I've always been used to per-gold medal sorting classifications. But I think it's logic that one should apply the sort system used by the most authoritative organization, which, in this case, is the IOC. Parutakupiu (talk) 19:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Oh I see, I thought you were talking about only considering the gold medals not just the golds first then silver and bronze, I agree rate by gold! Highfields (talk) (contribs) 08:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I find it strange that the IOC doesn't even keep count and I was told that we sorted by their way. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh has the Olympics started then?
According to Portal:Current events/Sports nothing has happened in Beijing since 7 August. Anyone want to rectify that? 86.21.74.40 (talk) 01:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi there. I am just wondering if there is an icon or a little graphic that represents "Olympic Record"? I do not like seeing ORs all the time. If there's no icon, do we need to create one? thanks --Jackl 02:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't believe there such a thing and, honestly, don't see any reason for it to be created. "OR" works fine. Nonetheless, what did you have in mind? Parutakupiu (talk) 02:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- The traditional usage on TV is "NR", "OR" and "WR" for National Record, Olympic Record and World Record respectively. Some broadcasters also display "PB" for Personal Best. Bluap (talk) 04:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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 and  images. I had previously thought about using them for some clever templates, so what do you think of this:
- Obviously, there is still a bug in that it doesn't place the icon inline, and I will work on that before we can roll this out (assuming people like it). It would have been nice to use {{OR}}, but that template name is used to tag WP:Original research violations. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- I like it. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 00:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Medaling teams
What's the guideline for teams winning medals, and listing them on pages such as United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics? Obviously like if the 20+ person baseball team wins a medal, we don't need to list every member, but how about swimming relay teams, of 4 people, or even the basketball team which is around 10 or 12? I assume beach volleyball duos are to be listed together as individual medalists, just with a line break. Nosleep (talk) 03:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think that for swimming relay teams, one can write the whole roster. For much larger teams, as you say, I'm not sure because I don't recall any example already applied in our existing articles (most of them are still to be "updated" content- and layout-wise). But you can write "Sport team" and link it to the team roster page under the respective sport's article. Parutakupiu (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Australians and future Olympics
Recently there appears to be a group that has been randomly adding "Australia" entries to future Olympics pages that are either non-sourced or completely bogus. I've been cleaning up the 2028 Olympics page, but they keep coming back. I know there's not much that can be done, but those of you watching the other future bids pages might want to take a look at the pages you're monitoring. It's truly annoying. --TruckOttr (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've done some cleaning up, I've removed any entry where the source goes to a dead link. The pages used to be worse, at one point every Summer games page had a half a dozen Australian cities. While we're on the topic, I think we need to determine some kind of inclusion criteria. What constitutes a possible bid? Is it some city official who muses about a potential bid, or is it a NOC that seriously says it is considering bidding? I'm leaning more towards the latter. -- Scorpion0422 16:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think it needs to depend on the source and "quality" of information provided. Thanks for helping to clean up the pages. --TruckOttr (talk) 04:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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