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Thanks for your support Jaysweet. I have made those modifications as per your suggestion. I am not afraid of appearing bitter as long as the truth has been highlighted. I don't look favourably on the kind of flippant behaviour that Noclador demonstrated, regardless of whether it was directed at me or anyone else.
However, I do not know why this page has been archived as I do not consider it to be resolved - I have made several requests as per Ncmvocalist' comments and have not receieved his reply. I have made concessions and recieved none regarding the anti-User:Romaioi negative comments.
Romaioi (talk) 07:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- Will see if I can take a look later this week. Sorry about the delay. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- No problems, I'm in no rush. I know I wrote a lot. Thank you, by the way. Romaioi (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, I've finally looked through your comments there.
- I'd said we can archive relevant sections or comments sometimes...but note; the ANI page you referred to has already been archived - meaning, that's that. In response to your concerns over the ANI, and the merits of the incident report: the fact that no administrative action was taken (or any other responses were given) speaks for itself. That's how it will also be looked at should the dispute ever escalate. The edit-summary you've cited is something we can't do much about here I'm afraid.
- That said, I agree with Jaysweet's conclusion - if you were to replace the rant on your User Talk page with the statement you suggest, I absolutely agree that no action is necessary, and that this complaint is resolved. Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Thanks for your time and patience on this talk. I do not mean to sound belligerent, but I do not consider this resolved.
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- You have someone who was given the power to do an investigation (Noclador) during which he carried out a series of personal attacks on one of his targets, in addition to denigrating the target’s character. In response, beyond defending oneself and calling the accuser/abuser a liar, the target did nothing untoward.
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- The types of personal attacks made on the accused were not insignificant.
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- Yet, the wrongly accused target was also the subject of a WQA and an ANI. On the other hand the abusing accuser has received no sanction, no counseling, nothing. If no such action is taken then the accuser (Noclador) will see this approval for him to act in the same manner to the next person. Maybe an ANI is required in reference to his behaviour.
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- As I said earlier, I think it is fair to have statement inserted here by someone indicating that I am not guilty of incivility, but rather was more the victim of it. Alternatively, simply state that the WPQ action, pertaining to me, is unwarranted. I also asked, as an alternative, for a statement at the ANI page stating that Noclador’s statements are misleading and inappropriate. Seeing that it is already archived, a statement should suffice – Noclador’s comments are is still there to be read with no defense made (I was not even notified about it at the time). Else, I will put something there myself, linking back to here.
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- I have already changed my statement, but I do consider the previous version to fit the definition of a rant.
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- Sincerely
- Romaioi (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Romaioi, the archive pages are only to contain threads that existed at ANI, as they appeared at the time. It's not to be altered to add a defense that was never made at the time or to clarify messages that are already there or to link back to discussions that didn't exist at the time. It's not allowed, and users who do are promptly reverted.
- In this case, the person who filed the WQA simply wanted some intervention in regards to what was on your talk page so that this dispute does not escalate. That part has been somewhat resolved.
- If you're still concerned about Noclador, you can try the next step in the WP:DR link or asking for input at an administrator noticeboard. But remember, action taken is preventive rather than punitive - Noclador has moved past the dispute and is editing per usual. It's your choice if you want to do the same by letting it go and moving on, or not. But I'm afraid I myself can't help you with this any further - perhaps Jaysweet or someone else can. Anyway, best of luck! Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Ncmvocalist, if you want to leave it there and cannot do any more then thats fine. I appreciate the efforts of yourself, Jaysweet and all others involved. But I am not happy with the outcome. No defence was able to be put up at the ANI page because I was not even notified that it was going on. And Noclador has been able to move past it because no one has taken him to task on his abuses. He has been able to abuse his power and not be held accountable whatsoever. In fact, he was gven a pat on the back. (Describing what he did in regards to his attempts to implicate me as lying certainly does not do it justice - much stronger adjectives apply.) Instead the victim of Noclador's abuses and insults has been taken to task for highlighting the abuse and was perversely accused of abuses he did not commit (the claim that I made personal abuses (plural) is rubbish). You have an unethical abuser, in noclador, who now has carte blanche approval to do what he wants to whoever he wants. That’s how I see it. Of course it has been easy for him to move on. It is difficult for me to do the same because I keep getting dragged back in (from pathetic and abusive sockpuppetry accusation, to misleading WQA (the instigating text is misleading) to perversely inappropriate ANI). All the best. Romaioi (talk) 06:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
User: Keeper76
Resolved. Apology by Keeper76 has been accepted by Xander756. —Travistalk 15:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
This user personally attacked me on my user talk page quoted: "I'll say again, I'm done with you, and I'll add a fuck you to boot." and "I will not see your response to me here, so "blast away" if it makes you feel better, you worthless editor. You have nothing to add to this encyclopedia in my opinion." Diff can be found here: [1] I think that the fact he is an administrator makes this all more of a bigger deal and people that cannot control their temper and lose control should not be in positions of power. --Xander756 (talk) 03:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Keeper76 made a genuine attempt to help you re-obtain rollback rights
and you spat in his face. I don't blame him. At some point, you need to consider that perhaps the problem might be coming from within. Related threads: Wikipedia talk:PERM#Xander756' request, Wikipedia:AN/I#User:Swampfire. By the way, this is my one and only post to this WQA. I already exhausted my efforts arguing with you at WT:PERM. –xeno (talk) 03:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- I second this. I participated in the discussion at Xander's page after Keeper got upset with Xander, and there's absolutely no question that Xander's attitude precipitated Keeper's becoming angry. Editors and admins are human. When you treat them poorly, sometimes they become angry. S. Dean Jameson 03:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- None of those threads are actually related. What your are doing is called "tainting the jury" in which you try to bring in unrelated subject matter. The only thing that matters here is that Keeper76 lost his temper and personally attacked me. There should not be any excuse or reason for that to happen. I did not insult anybody, I let him defeat himself. He tried to explain why he didn't help with excuses that did not fit. When I pointed out why these reasons couldn't be so, he lost it.--Xander756 (talk) 03:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, that's not the only thing that matters. WikiLawyering about "juries" doesn't mitigate the fact that this last episode was the latest in a long string of harangues you've subjected people to, after your rollback rights were removed. S. Dean Jameson 03:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- People seem to love the term wikilawyering. Was it because I mentioned a jury and then that made you think of lawyers? That is what his tactics are called, if I could have used a different term I would have just to avoid you saying "wikilawyering" again. This needs to be viewed as a separate incident. Keeper76 insulting me has nothing to do with me having an edit dispute with another user now would it? --Xander756 (talk) 03:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- He didn't insult you. He told you to fuck off. There's a difference. If he had said, "You're a dumbass with no brain in his head", that would be an insult and a personal attack. "Fuck off" is simply a rougher way of saying basically "good bye, and good riddance." And "wikilawyering" was what you were doing to try to explain why you never replied to Keeper's initial message, where he specifically asked you to reply so he'd know you were interested. S. Dean Jameson 03:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Please check again. It wasn't an F off, it was an F you. The day "F You" is decided not to be considered an insult then it might be the same Jesus returns to Earth. --Xander756 (talk) 04:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- He came to your talk page with open arms. You treated him like garbage. Why is there a WQA being filed about him again? Protonk (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
(OD)Your actions can't be isolated into individual edits, because your attitude and wikilawyering (yes, wikilawyering) have a compounding effect on anyone who tries to talk to you. The way you approach things leads editors to either a) lose their temper at you for eternally not getting the point, or b) ignoring you completely. We've all seen similar situations before. Some of us have even married into situations like that, unfortunately. Dayewalker (talk) 03:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- My last post here: you treated Keeper more poorly than he treated you. He tried to help you, and you just spit in his face, basically. The only difference is that your obstinance made him angry enough to swear. It's you that has the problem, Xander, not everyone else you've interacted with the last several days. S. Dean Jameson 05:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't see anything that is actionable here. Xander756 has endorsed an editing practice that resulted in his rollback privileges being revoked, with good reason -- I won't go into that here. Keeper76, a well trusted administrator, attempted to assist you in re-obtaining rollback privileges, which you all but rejected. This is not the first time I've seen your name around Xander756, and this is only another case on top of another that all but certifies that you are not here to constructively contribute to Wikipedia, but to endorse behavior that is uncivil and generally awful. I can see why Keeper76 became upset at your actions Xander756, and I endorse his usage of the phrase "fuck off" in that instance, because quite frankly, there is few other terms available to describe your attitude on this project Xander. seicer | talk | contribs 05:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Again, it was not "F off" but "F you". I don't mean to beat this horse but there is a difference there. My entire problem here is that I am here to constructively contribute to Wikipedia and yet I am being hindered unreasonably. People keep telling me I am taking this too seriously but I'm simply here to help the site. It seems others are unnecessarily trying to stop this (i.e. not wanting me to stop vandalism, vandalizing my user page with profanity, telling me I'm worthless etc.) It's not like I'm a new user, I've been here quite awhile... --Xander756 (talk) 05:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, you beating a dead horse is exactly the problem other editors are having with you. You say you're here to constructively contribute, but a quick look at your last hundred edits shows you've barely made any edits to articles. That's where some of the accusations of wikilawyering are coming from. Dayewalker (talk) 05:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I see no personal attacks here. What I see (in the diff provided at the top of the report) is continued assumptions of bad faith by Xander756. Keeper76 took the time to go out of his way to try to help you Xander, and I can understand how he got so upset. I share the concerns of every single user who has commented here to date, and I strongly urge you to look at all of them again and modify your approach in the future. I too am of the opinion to dismiss this WQA as meritless. Ncmvocalist (talk) 11:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC) Point made successfully. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Xander756, I've been told to "fuck off" before on Wiki; in fact, in full view of several ArbCom members, and nothing happened to the person who said it to me, who is now an admin. It happens. I chalked it off, kept an eye on the person to see if it was typical of his behavior, and it hasn't been; perhaps it was just a bad day. By all accounts, you went quite the extra distance to provoke a generally helpful, kind and efficient administrator to post those comments to you; please examine your own behavior in the incident, or you will have a frustrating experience on Wikipedia. I don't condone uncivil behavior on Wikipedia, but this response from Keeper76, a good admin, is highly uncharacteristic, which raises my eyebrow about how far you went to provoke. Since you don't seem to be making many friends in a collaborative editing environment, you might considering dropping this for now, as I did when it happened to me. On the other hand, Keeper76, you should't have done that, and I'm sure you know it and I doubt it will happen again. Of bigger concern to me here is that some of the editors who frequent this page on Wikipedia, and who are elsewhere accusing a productive editor of any number of things, are completely discounting any validity to Xander756's issue here, undermining (again) the entire point of WQA: that is shocking. Dropping the F-bomb on another editor should always be addressed at WQA; I'm afraid that the editors frequenting this board have furthered rather inconsistent views of Wiki policies and guidelines and are undermining the purpose of this board, rendering this a useless step in dispute resolution, and giving the appearance of using this board to take sides in popularity contests. As much as I like Keeper and recognize this as an uncharacteristic reaction from an excellent admin to an extreme provocation, WQA is not a place for playing out popularity contests. Keeper, pls offer amends and tell Xander you won't do something like that again. Xander, pls examine your own behavior that led to this and then let it go; you've drawn a good deal attention to less than desirable aspects of your editing behavior, and continuing this is not in your best interest, even if Keeper's response was less than ideal. And the regular editors frequenting this board need to re-examine Wiki policies and guidelines and the ways that ArbCom might respond if this ends up in their lap, and begin to respond to issues raised on this board in ways that will further resolution of disputes rather than allowing issues to grow and fester, so that they don't end up at AN/I or before ArbCom. The people most in the wrong here are those condoning, under any circumstances, use of the F-bomb on Wiki: by doing that, you will only increase the chances that Xander will become a more difficult editor, and Keeper will end up in a protracted dispute. Please work to resolve disputes, not further them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Dang. I said I wasn't going to post here. SG just nailed it, proving once again that she's way smarter than me, and has led me to respond. I need to confess though SG that what's worse is that I didn't only say "fuck off", I said "fuck you". Also called him worthless, which is probably even worse than a fuck off, or it is to me anyway. Way worse. Apologies for my temper Xander, you deserve more respect than that. Someone please troutslap me on my talkpage if they see this from me again (I can't honestly say it was the first time, and I can't promise it won't be the last, but I'll try my damnedest). Keeper ǀ 76 14:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- I knew you'd come through, and quickly, Keeper; that's what makes you one of the good ones :-) Now I hope Xander will accept the apology and move on and improve their own behavior. But what I most hope is that this ship (WQA) will be righted :-) That editors here are claiming that this WQA is meritless is more appalling than what led to this thread. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- That piece, SG, very accurately sums up the situation. Keeper, I'm sure, will learn from this experience and will hopefully adopt a matter of resolve within situations like this, taking a break when necessary so temptations to lose 'cool' are minimalised. Xander, on the other hand, needs to learn to be more acceptive of help whilst those others here must not dismiss the fundamentals in the sake of wanting to comment. Rudget 14:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- What "SG" posted is what I have been saying all along. Wikipedia should not be a popularity contest and it that bringing up unrelated issues in an attempt to undermine my validity on subject is counterproductive. Anyway, I accept your apology, Keeper76. Have a nice day.--Xander756 (talk) 15:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- X756, please do take note of the email I've sent you - you'll find I extended an apology to you alone.
- Very watched thread + inconsistent response from 1 of the 2 main regulars (compared to responses in the last few months) = more eyes (hopefully for the long run this time). This is what multiple editors have been asking for (multiple times) since last year at AN, ANI, talk pages of specific admins and FAC regulars for that matter too. It's an established problem from a long time ago, and when those alerts are made on those pages, it'll get attention for maybe a month max, often much less...and then WQA would be allowed to crumble again. 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 eyes is not enough...it needs to have dozens, consistently.
- The users who are most to blame for the state of WQA in the past few months are those that have fully aware of the problem since the dark ages, yet refused to do anything about it until now (some only screeching until now) - while others don't even acknowledge the problem until now, based on #2. And why only now? I'll let you ponder on that, based on recent ANI musings by that same person screeching over it.
- WQA would no doubt have been fully dysfunctional, if not for the continued time and effort those 'regulars' put in to try to keep a pulse going. Recently, both are dealing with 1 thing after another in RL, and while they pop in and out whenever they can, it's no where near the amount of time and effort they've put in over the past few months. One regular will definitely not be so regular due to frequent absences from wiki in the coming weeks/months - and other than the odd thread, soon, there are going to be more cries for attention; more of the same as was in the dark ages; for the lack of third party input here. Then again, a couple of users will come across this in ruins and try to make it function again.
- There's been many resolved disputes among parties from the facilitation by those 'regulars', and those parties have gone on to do good things later, satisfied with the input they received here. On other occasions, they didn't pay attention, it escalated and they were subject to remedies. Why was this feat possible? Because those 2 regulars have spent their time (and their contributions) helping actually resolve a lot of those disputes, contrary to the opinion of someone who shamefully spent (almost) no time here in the past few months (to know how time-consuming and how difficult it sometimes was to do so, given the backlog). As well as involving off-wiki communication with parties at times, on other occasions, the level of work done on WQA was to such an extent that the limited time spent on wiki meant that almost all contributions for a week might be completely WQA-based as uninvolved input. No 'regular' needs to reexamine policy and guidelines - what's needed is for others to put up.
- Finally, I'm glad X756 has accepted K76's apology, while K76's lapse in judgement has been noted, so it's resolved - even if it meant forcing others to respond by being strongly and unusually inconsistent on a fundamental point that's been rambled about both here and in other venues by that 'regular'. Maybe this time, for once (as a long-run measure), the users who are most to blame for the issue (see #3), will not let this venue drop to the sorry state it's been in before - the alert has been given here itself. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Disagreement over wp:talk, User:Blockinblox and User:Jeandré du Toit, diffs: [2] [3] [4]. -- Jeandré, 2008-08-03t12:55z
User:BehnamFarid
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Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 01:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
User Domer48Fenian & BigDunc
I would like an admin to look at my situation. There is evidence at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/GDD1000 and on talk pages that the user names I have listed are united in an attempt to harrass me and prevent me editing the article at Ulster Defence Regiment. The discussion page there shows that their involvement stretches back more than a few months and that they have strangled attempts by other editors to improve the page by similar harrassment, incivility, bullying and the use of propaganda against other editors. So far I have had an untrue allegation of sockpuppetry leveled against me. I have been called the, "Self confessed former Ulster Defence Regiment member GDD1000 with a major conflict of interest", accused of adding disruptive material to the article, deceiving other editors, making a mockery of this encycopedia, being dishonest, adding unsourced additions, biased POV additions and copyright violations, having several "brand new accounts," collusion, pretending to be a new user, avoiding scrutiny, lying, appalling, editing problematically and pretending to be someone else. The following statement was made by the DomerFenian user: "You are an editor with a long history of disruption, gross POV editing, edit warring and copyright violations, you should not be permitted to try and get a clean start under a new name, and deceive other editors by editing the same article pretending to be a brand new editor". The tags of my accusers are: Domer48'fenian' and BigDuncTalk Everything I've read about new users, harrassment, good faith, the five pillars etc etc etc etc tells me that all of this is VERY wrong. Why should I, or anyone, be subjected to it? I do note that the user Domer has a history of being blocked for extended periods of time for similar abuse against other editors. All help appreciated.The Thunderer (talk) 19:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Domer has two blocks for incivility and I recently filed a report here against Dunc.Traditional unionist (talk) 20:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Despite two admins closing the sockpuppet complaint as unfounded he (BigDunc) has opened it a third time and demanded information to continue their vendetta.The Thunderer (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Wrong not a single admin has closed it as unfounded, and not even a single admin has closed it. Also I'd even point out the first close was done on a non-existent reasoning acording to Enigma here. BigDuncTalk 20:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Neither I, nor the user GDD1000 who you have such a bee in your bonnet about, have been found guilty of anything more than reacting to the abysmal treatment handed out by you and your tag teaming partners. Your manipulation of guidelines and policy seems to be matched only by your dogged perserverance in hounding anyone whose opinion doesn't concur with yours on articles related to Irish nationalism. The history of the extended attempts by GDD1000 to become a useful editor on Wikipedia is littered with your reverts, always quoting policy but doing nothing to assist the user in editing points into the pages the user was trying to contribute to. I note that "post-departure" your malicious behaviour continued against that user by damning his/her mistakes as a new, but enthusiatic editor, as "copyright violation," "POV pushing," etc. Not once in the history of that user do I see you or your fellow tag teamers welcome the new user or give him/her encouragement to continue posting, despite the overt politeness and appeals for assistance made to you. I see the same thing happening with me. Your welcome to me consisted of you jumping on the sockpuppetry bandwagon, reverts to my edits with the most spurious of policy quoting and a refusal to accept the word of an admin who has done a checkuser proving there is "no abusive sockpuppetry". You appear determined to pursue a course of incivility, harrassment, disinformation and propaganda against me to drive me off the Ulster Defence Regiment article and prevent the addition of useful, encyclopedic knowledge. That indicates to me, as it will to any person who bothers to check your edit history, that of your cohorts and of GDD1000. You've objected to my presence on Ulster Defence Regiment when I posted encyclopedic history of the regiment, its formation, armaments, vehicles, structure, commanders, awards, image, effect on the local community, duties, bases, casualties and allegations of collusion between loyalist and republican paramilitaries, all with inline references and citations and all you contributed in the same period was a revert to challenge information which was a direct lift from an article on Wikipedia which had been there, untouched for two years. In effect you've been hoist by your own petard for pursuing a vendetta.The Thunderer (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Let me state that 1) there is no abusive sockpuppetry being perpetrated here by The Thunderer and 2) I'm less than impressed with both BigDunc and Domer48's campaign of intimidation of the above editor. It's pretty obvious that they don't agree with his standpoint on certain issues and have taken it upon themselves to smear the guy's reputation with insinuations and accusations of sockery. Obviously, the goal here is to drive him from the project and, though I think his words to-date have been a bit strident and OTT, he has every reason to feel put-upon here. I'd like to see Dunc and Domer drop the matter, leave the editor alone, and basically get back to editing - Alison ❤ 23:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the SSP case is not only closed but the door has been slammed shut at this stage. It only took two admins and a checkuser to close it. In short, it was a classic SSP 'fishing' case and one placed to simply cause trouble for their target. C'mon, guys, let's not do that. Had that been RFCU, I'd have thrown the case out for
Checkuser is not for fishing - Alison ❤ 23:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you Alison. I apologise for being "strident" but this type of harrassment is very hard to swallow, particularly when there is so much emphasis placed on friendliness in the guidelines published on Wikipedia. The Thunderer (talk) 23:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that I recently had an incident of gaming at the hands of these two users. Perhaps something can be done now. There is a clear recent history of disruptive behaviour.Traditional unionist (talk) 23:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps an Admin can guide me on how to ensure I don't have to suffer this type of harrassment on Wikipedia again?The Thunderer (talk) 23:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
User:Longchenpa WP:3RR warning help
Taken to WP:AN/3. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I could use some advice and help regarding User:AlexLevyOne. The account is just a couple of weeks old but already reflects several hundred edits of highly variable quality. While his intentions appear to be good, he frequently displays some pretty bad judgment, and despite the efforts of several concerned editors to engage him on his talk page, has responded simply by blanking their comments. Example here.
It is, for example, not a bad idea to scan articles looking for {fact} tags. But some assertions are more squirrelly than others and it is not always sound editing simply to remove the tagged fact in every instance. Likewise, several short paragraphs can often be collapsed into one, but not at the expense of legibility. This post to the user’s Talk page by User:Deor (blanked shortly thereafter) illustrates several of his problem edits: diff.
To sum up, AlexLevyOne makes some good edits, but many irresponsible ones as well. I think he needs to be reined in a bit – focused a bit better – but given his unwillingness even to acknowledge Talk page requests, I’m not sure how to go about it. As for his edits -- I’ve tried to repair some of them, but he is prolific and I can’t keep up with him. That’s another reason for this request. Comments, advice, extra eyes or hands are all welcome. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 13:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- I would agree with you as to this user's editing. He declines to have any interaction whatsoever when people raise issues with his edits.
- However, I don't know what WQA can achieve. If he won't talk, he won't talk. He doesn't have to talk, but he should recognise that failure to engage will lead to his dubious edits being regarded as disruptive.
- If he continues to decline to engage, we can do little but revert and warn. Ultimately, his editing is going to lead to a block. Mayalld (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. Is WP:ANI a better place for this? (Part of the problem I'm having is that I can't quite figure out what to use to warn him - it's not vandalism, really, but more often just *really bad judgment*. What's a level 3 warning for that?) JohnInDC (talk) 14:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- The user clearly has a less-than-adequate grasp of the English language and should probably be editing the French WP rather than trying to "improve" this one. I thought of asking the admins at WP:AN what to do about an editor like this (good faith but incompetent, who refuses, apparently, to read the editing guidelines or to discuss his edits), but frankly, I'm not sure that they can do much, either. I agree that the need to clean up many of his edits, coupled with his persistent silence, are quite frustrating and am open to any suggestions. Deor (talk) 14:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- Given that many of his edits are messing up the appearance of an article, uw-mos might be appropriate (leading to uw-generic4 in the end), some of his edits delete formatting, so uw-delete, or, bluntly, given his persistence in doing the same thing again after non-templated attempts to engage him over his problematic behaviour, uw-vandalism. Mayalld (talk) 14:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, those MOS templates are good. Thanks. I added one to his Talk page based on one of this morning's edits. JohnInDC (talk) 14:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
User with long history of extreme incivility incidents [9][10] , multiple civility and revert warring warnings [11] [12] and blocks[13], now openly instigates revert warring, making extremely incivil personal remarks seasoned with anti-Semitic rant about Jews in Czech language [14]"žid nemůže krásti -- on jen bere, co jeho jest. Peníze nežida jsou majetkem bez pána -- Žid má úplné právo si je přivlastnit" ("Jews don't steal, they take what belongs to them. Money of the non-Jew is a property without the owner - a Jew has a right to take it" and so on. I think open instigation of revert wars and openly anti-Semitic rants like this are not acceptable, and something must be done about it. M0RD00R (talk) 07:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
This is a follow up on a case of contested speedy deletion, which I deal with on the appropriate place -- see more here. This is also, I believe, a case of an editor who seems to be misusing his admin power by evading detail clarification of his speedy deletion nomination, and by letting the speedy deletion status on so that deletion was completed while I was showing interest in improving the posting and actively providing evidence why the posting was justified and notable.
As you could see on the talk page of the deleted IGO Search, I reacted on the 'speedy deletion' nomination mere minutes after it was posted today. I asked the admin, very politely, why this was done. Initially he cited 'blatant advertising', which I questioned, and he changed it to lack of 'notability', which I countered providing objective information about the non-commercial non-governmental nature and superb respectability of the publisher of the service described (mandate of the United Nations, 101 year history as an international research institute, etc.) I also said, citing Wikipedia help sources, that if notability was in question, speedy deletion was the last resort of an editor, and I asked him to reconsider. Afterwards he asked for sources, which I was ready to answer, were the article not already deleted in the meantime. It would have been enough if he changed it to possible deletion, giving me and other people more time to discuss deficiencies of the article properly. I wonder how is it possible that one single person, without other views, discussion, and without an editorial consensus, and especially without providing comments and time on how to improve a possibly deficient article, how can one such person cause deletion of someone's work. Moreover, when I complained to him about this very incident, still trying to be very polite and talking about his actions rather than himself as a person, he deleted both of my posts and posted an note on my talk page to which I could hardly, with my own words deleted, defend against.
Summary: I am all for intelligent discussions backed by clear and irrefutable evidence, and I am hereby protesting against single-person non-discussed deletions of the above user. I believe blatant deletion of other people posts is not a way of discussing issues described in them. I shall be very grateful for any consideration and recommendations as to how can I -- or other people affected by someone deleting their work without proving any wrongdoing -- proceed. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjfulopp (talk • contribs) 23:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Wikidea is currently using edit summaries to accuse me of trolling, stalking (despite the fact that I first edited that page on 24 February 2008) and for not being smart. On article's discussion page he also accused me of being a troll and expressing wish that I would go away [15].
He was warned to watch on his manners by User:84user [16], me [17], and User:Yannismarou [18], [19]. -- Vision Thing -- 23:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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