Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/3 Doors Down (1997 album)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete as sources were never provided. Wizardman 22:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Delete Unsourced. Not notable. --Wolfer68 (talk) 03:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Weak keep. This is a notable band with a reasonably good band article. Their other albums meet notability criteria and have articles. While one could merge the information on this album into the band article, I think there is an argument on reasons of space and organisation to keep it separate. Thus, I am tempted to suggest this album article, while it needs clean-up and referencing, should be kept. Bondegezou (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
But where is the source that this album actually exists? --Wolfer68 (talk) 17:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Appears to be a demo from here: "Meanwhile, the songs kept coming, and in 1997 3 Doors Down recorded some demos. They pressed a CD to sell at gigs, and fans flocked out to see them live, numbering more than 2,000 per show." Similar story here. I'll have to dig around for a proper reliable source, but the verdict is that it was a self-produced demo CD. 81.51.89.187 (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Sean Whitton / 14:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Delete Whether 3 Doors Down is a notable band is 110% irrelevant. The WP:MUSIC criteria says the following; "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources." Unless this demo has had significant independent coverage in reliable sources, then it cannot be kept. In my opinion, the one vote as a weak keep above is invalid since there is no reasoning which adheres to WP:MUSIC criteria. LuciferMorgan {talk) 17:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Comment. It is accepted that arguments based on how information is organised over multiple articles is valid. There is appropriate material for Wikipedia here: the question is where to put it, in its own article or in the band article. Bondegezou (talk) 09:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Keep - a notable album by a notable band. While the album was never released on a major label, that alone does not keep it from being notable. Furthermore the success of the bands other albums, only has helped the notability of this album through the years --T-rex 00:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Tell us why this demo is notable and provide valid evidence - factual information as concerns this demo, proving it has had "significant independent coverage" would actually make your vote valid. Until then, I actually feel this vote is invalid since it has no basis in WP:MUSIC criteria - WP:MUSIC criteria deems demos as "generally non-notable" unless they've had "significant independent coverage", irrelevant of the success future albums have had. Before voting, it'd be great if people actually read the notability guidelines. Votes to oppose without any specific reasoning aren't accepted at FAC without specific reasoning, so I don't see why a vague keep should be accepted here either. LuciferMorgan (talk) 00:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Keep. I agree with everything the guy before me "T-rex" just said. I actually think this article should be expanded. 3 Doors Down's website probably has info on it. Tezkag72 (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Delete Non notable album. No sources to confirm any facts. Fails WP:N, WP:M, and WP:V.Undeath (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Delete, it has already been said: we don't cover demos like that. Punkmorten (talk) 10:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
