DON'T POST YOUR IMAGES TO COMMONS!

Redvers is male • gay • a socialist • a vegetarian • Welsh • an atheist • and none of this is displayed when editing the encyclopedia... how about you?

Watchlist this page to see replies

All that jazz

G'day,

I am trying to document the venues and bands that make up the Sydney Trad Jazz scene but you keep deleting my stuff with little notice and not alot of explanation as to why. I have no commercial relationship with any of these bands, musicians or venues and have done my best to ensure that those musicians I have covered so far are in fact notable as per the guidelines, I have noted the criteria that allows there inclusion on the discussion pages as per the guidelines along with notes pointing out my intention to expand the articles in the near future yet you and other admins just delete them. Where explanation is given no time is given to rectify any problems.

Why is this so? Is there something intrinsically evil about Australia jazz that it should be deleted on sight? Should I just give up and not try to document what I believe to be a culturally significant phenomina?

Disenchantedly Yours,

CyberSpacia (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry that you're annoyed by Wikipedia's rules on what we do and we don't allow in our articles. It's nothing personal - it can't be with thousands of articles created by hundreds of editors every day.

The articles you created were deleted by various people for various reasons. Bill Dudley (trumpeter), when you first created it, didn't assert notability for the subject. Wheelchair Epidemic (talk · contribs) nominated it for deletion and I deleted it. You recreated the article but used sales language; Ecoleetage (talk · contribs) nominated it for deletion and NawlinWiki (talk · contribs) deleted it because we don't allow advertising. The New Orleanians had the line You can catch The New Orleanians on stage every Sunday from 5pm to 8pm at the Strawberry Hills Hotel - clear advertising; Wheelchair Epidemic nominated it for deletion, NawlinWiki deleted it.

By this time, editors were spotting a pattern to your edits: low notability subjects being written about with advertising terms in them. So Strawberry Hills Hotel was proposed for deletion by Wheelchair Epidemic, Ecoleetage agreed and NawlinWiki deleted it. David Ridyard didn't assert notability; Rising*From*Ashes (talk · contribs) nominated it for deletion, Wheelchair Epidemic agreed and NawlinWiki deleted it. Adrian Ford didn't assert notability; Stijndon (talk · contribs) nominated it and I deleted it. You recreated it, again without asserting notability, StaticGull (talk · contribs) noted that it read like advertising, Stijndon nominated it again and NawlinWiki deleted it.

Category:Australian Jazz Bands was deleted by NawlinWiki because it wasn't a category - it was a list.

You're welcome to recreate any of these articles, but you need to say clearly and upfront why they are notable enough to be included and provide a reliable, third-party source for any such claim. You also need to make sure that you're not using Wikipedia to advertise the subject in any way. Hope this helps. ➨ REDVERS in a car - no brakes? I don't mind 07:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks it does help somewhat, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain what happen from "AdminSide" although I was in the process of going back to remove the reference to the showtimes (the advertising) and add references to press and radio interviews which as far as I can determine would have satisfied the notability requirement when I found them deleted - having now been though this "ordeal" I think preparing & editing the artcles in entirety offline first instead of building them piecemeal online may have avoided the problem alternatively a little leeway time wise from the admins to allow for corrective action to be taken would have also been helpful and resulted in alot less stress for me (having already had one heart attack in my life I could have done without that extra stress).

Can I respectfully suggest a little more time be allowed for corrective editing to take place before summary deletion - surely 24 hours to fix a problem would not be un reasonable, particulary when a hang on tag has been posted.

Anyway enuf sed, I'll toddle off and prepare some more substantial articles offline and thanks again for taking the time to respond.

Regards,

Andy CyberSpacia (talk) 15:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice theory, but if we allowed 24 hours, that would be 24 hours Wikipedia would be displaying free advertising, libel and nonsense across some 7,000 articles that we would be waiting to delete, every day. And, to be fair, you got several message telling you what was wrong with the articles you created, telling you how to pause the deletion and telling you what you needed to read to learn more about avoiding such pitfalls. You just blanked your talk page and carried on creating and recreating these articles. The problem, I would suggest, is not entirely at Wikipedia's end. ➨ REDVERS in a car - no brakes? I don't mind 18:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Redvers what you say is not entirely true, I read the guidelines, placed hang on tags and ascerted notability on each of the pages and notated the talk pages with my intention to add more detail. I suspect no one bothered to follow the procedure and read those notes prior to redeleting those articles. Having read your comments above regarding posting images to commons I believe you are working with double standards. As best I can make out my only real error was to make mention of the bands playing times and I am not entirely convinced that such information could not be considered relevant to an article about actively working musicians however I was prepared to remove it, only you deleted it before I could. As for my suggestion about allowing 24 hours to rectify problems I can see no problem with also quarantining such material during the "rectification period" so it could only be viewed and edited by the author and admins. CyberSpacia (talk) 09:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, you've been pointed at the appropriate policy pages, had what happened explained to you by a veteran of 4 years of Wikipedia and seen that about half a dozen experienced editors agreed with the deletions. Your response is to accuse me of hypocrisy. I think the conversation ends here and you can go about your business and me mine. ➜ REDVƎЯS has nothing to declare except his jeans 19:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Advertising

Dear Redvers,

I'm totally new at wikipedia. I have been writing a page about a new company that me and some other people are setting up in the US and the Netherlands, called OneCleanWorld. I've posted it twice now but have found out it was taken away because of, I believe, advertising. I would like to know how I could post something about this company without it being advertising. I just want to say what our goals are (partly for-profit/ partly non-for-profit) and what we're about. Could you please let me know what you think is wrong and how I could put something up... Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocwbenno (talk • contribs)

You'll need to read a couple of important Wikipedia pages. I'll leave you a note on your talk page. ➨ REDVERS in a car - no brakes? I don't mind 10:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

User:J.J. Boone

I noticed that you warned the above user for his violations of our image use policy. He has, as with all the other disruption warnings on his talk page, ignored them and continued his behavior. I'm thinking that sterner warnings, or even a block, may be in order, as copyvios are, of course, far more serious forms of disruption. I would block myself, but I want to go through and check the images to make certain that they are violations (even though absence of sourcing is bad enough). In any case, I thought I'd let you know, in case you had an opinion, or are more forgiving than I am. Cheers, CP 04:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The next image he uploads without a source, I'm prepared to block indefinitely because he has been warned and has consistently failed to respond to talk page messages. I would leave him a note saying that he would remain blocked until we heard back from him that he understood the problem. It may just be that he is unaware of his talk page. Either way, the uploads must stop and the only way to stop them is a block. ➜ REDVƎЯS has nothing to declare except his jeans 18:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature Ques

I notice your signature had a backwards R in it. How did you make it backwards? My User name is Tm93. I was thinking about maybe turning the T upside down. Is this possible? Thanks and Happy Editing Tm93 TALK 07:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It's done using Unicode. There's a website that will do upside-down text for you to cut-and-paste here. ➜ REDVƎЯS has nothing to declare except his jeans 08:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank You. I think I've got it. Do I use the same site to reverse it? Like you did with the ER (ƎЯ). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tm93 (talk • contribs)

No, that site only does upside-down characters. You can copy-and-paste individual letters from Wikipedia's articles on Unicode symbols (remembering that not everyone can see all of them): Letterlike Symbols, Number Forms, Miscellaneous Symbols (make sure you copy the type in the top right of each box, not the image at the bottom of each box), Latin characters in Unicode and following the links from Unicode symbols. Test them in your sandbox before applying them to your signature in preferences. ❝ЯEDVERS❞ has nothing to declare except his jeans 12:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

NowCommons: Image:Amos Strunk 2162649383 7ee46f0854 o.jpg

Image:Amos Strunk 2162649383 7ee46f0854 o.jpg is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:Image:Amos Strunk.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all MediaWiki wiki's. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case: [[Image:Amos Strunk.jpg]]. Note that this is an automated message. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 23:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)